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@AlwaysCorrect
"You think the basis of the scientific method is based on based on a random image sourced from google"
a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
"Here's a link which explains in details"Still no "peer review" or let the other guy's do it for you...
"That makes no sense and is very "
Dead link.
"Lastly, you've already admitted your ignorance - asking very basic questions about the process of peer review."
I guess my sarcasm wasn't as obvious as I meant it to be. Are you suggesting that only a certain group of people are worthy of being my peer? If not, the experiment is there, it has been reviewed (by peers) and you choose to ignore it (you are my peer, review it). So keep cherry picking.
Also I've not inserted any opinion anywhere in the experiment, if you have a problem you'd like to point at, do so, until then you're just kicking the stone.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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You also show your ignorance by misusing logical fallacies. Your argument made no sense in the most literal definition of the word. Did you provide any evidence or reasoning why a random image should be trusted as to the basis of the scientific method? Refusing to accept illogical, unsupported and insensible argument is actually logicalyl sound. the burden of proof is on you to support your claims, dieas and theories. As you cannot and indeed here retreat, my assessment is vindicated.
As the your new defence, a dictionary definition, that suits you perfectly. The most simplistic definition with no thought or analysis and no desire to understand anythign except the msot superficial aspec ts of what something means - and even then only to try and defend yourself from looking . On the other hand, see what an expert opinion says: http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_01
"this version (e.g. the one you suggest) of the scientific method is so simplified and rigid that it fails to accurately portray how real science works"
It goes on to explain how peer review is a key component of the process. Indeed fi you continue to read you'll see that even when I've expanded on it, in practice there is far more to the scientific method. Lastly you'll note that even by your own standards you fall short. You've yet to provide anything to my requests, let alone "systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses". What is this, the fifth post in a row you've refused to back up your claims? Even if you wanted me to peer review your evidence, how can i peer review what doesn't exist?
Lastly, to peer review something you should be an expert. A random person isn't going to be able to assess an ancient script was written in the 3rd or 4th century BC. They won't be able to tell whether a complicated quantum formalae is right. The sort of inwards navel gazing you indulge in where fellow flat earters agree with each other without any thought is not peer review.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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"I myself have measured the lack of curvature where there should be several feet"
Please remember we're talking about the measurements you claim to have taken. As far as I can see you have talked about these supposed measurements a lot but never posted them.
Also as you don't seem to have offered any rebuttal to any of the other points that have been raised, should I take it you concede on these issues?
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Largely a strawman, I never made that argument.
"You also show your ignorance by misusing logical fallacies."
Which was that?
"Refusing to accept illogical, unsupported and insensible argument is actually logicalyl sound. the burden of proof is on you to support your claims, dieas and theories. As you cannot and indeed here retreat, my assessment is vindicated."
My claim is mainly that water, in all circumstances, is found to be flat. This has been demonstrated repeatedly. Your cherry picking and strawmen continue to bore me. If you're just going to ignore the evidence, then you'll be ignored like the other cognitive impaired.
" The most simplistic definition with no thought or analysis and no desire to understand anythign except the msot superficial aspec ts of what something means - and even then only to try and defend yourself from looking . On the other hand, see what an expert opinion says: http://undsci.berkeley.edu/article/howscienceworks_01"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_the_stone
"It goes on to explain how peer review is a key component of the process. Indeed fi you continue to read you'll see that even when I've expanded on it, in practice there is far more to the scientific method."
Like... trust people you don't know, who get grants up until they say the earth may not be a ball?
"You've yet to provide anything to my requests, let alone "systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses". What is this, the fifth post in a row you've refused to back up your claims? Even if you wanted me to peer review your evidence, how can i peer review what doesn't exist?"
I've given a few pieces of verifiable evidence. Most experiments can be performed by anyone. You've blatantly ignored this and have resulted to insults, kicking stones and semantics.
"Lastly, to peer review something you should be an expert. A random person isn't going to be able to assess an ancient script was written in the 3rd or 4th century BC. They won't be able to tell whether a complicated quantum formalae is right."
Except we're not talking about advanced ancient formulae, are we? It's not complicated maths, any can set up a camera and take a picture, your analogy fails in every common sense aspect. If there were a problem with the experiment, most people could spot and identify it, the fact that you haven't yet speaks volumes. It just seems you're here with an argumentum ad populum approach, saying that science is infalliably always right, and grouping me with "flat earthers", this way you can dismiss any valid points or evidence without reason.
"The sort of inwards navel gazing you indulge in where fellow flat earters agree with each other without any thought is not peer review."
You're obviously my peer, and you've been given ample opportunity to review the experiment, or give ANY valid experiment that proves the globe, so far I've seen nothing but ad hominem, appeal to the stone, bandwagon and strawmen here from you.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
https://debateisland.com/discussion/comment/18248/#Comment_18248 (Me officially stating that I am no longer a flat-Earther)
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I don't know about the other F.E.'s, here, but I feel insulted just by @Coveny bringing up the globe earth. Because of the evidence against it, is so ridiculously overwhelming that I feel like a fool for not having seen these sooner!?
And I just KNOW that you Coveny know the earth is flat, and I feel you are just rubbing the Globe Earth in our noses, making us feel bad for having believed in it for soooo long.
"Scientists can't prove it wrong", .. sheeesh, a 4th grader could prove it wrong, not alone a scientist, .. so these so called scientists working for NASAm they get what, $100 Walmart gift card for every ridiculous "found another New Planet" story?
So go ahead Coveny, rub it in, we deserve it. Go ahead and get your $10 Walmart gift card for every hundred post you make, you earned it.
NASA News:
"Another $10 NASA/Walmart Gift cardCoveny for his effort in keeping the dying Globe Earth Sci-fi story alive. Additionally, for taking so much abuse from F.E.'s he gets 2 rub-on tattoos(r) of his choice to add to his already large collection!"
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Aaaah, how sweet!
I got the rice, just tell us which Chapel?
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When I read your response I though of one of my favorite quotes.
If you feel "insulted" because someone disagrees with you then spending time on a debate website isn't the best place for you.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Where did I say this?
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I don't feel insulted at all, I've dealt with many a globetard.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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My point is that time zones don't work on the flat earth model. You didn't understand what I was talking about so I used your model to show you how time zones would not work on your model. That does not mean I agree with you map, or your model, that just means I understand you model better than you do, so I had to explain it to you.
PS you still haven't refuted that time zones won't work on the F.E. model you just dance around the point and attack me instead. I decided not to attack back this time, because when I do you tend to cry.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Also, when I said starving the troll. Well I'll respond when you bring up arguments, but not when you just use insults and dance on the "im the king of the world because I called someone online" floor.l
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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As you can see it still doesn't work the equator would have a much larger time zone. Not to mention somewhere like the falkland islands wouldn't get close to a 12 hours of daylight, much less 16hr days in december.
http://www.timebie.com/sun/falklandislands.php
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Now taking that model the time zones should be curved not straight as represented in red circle time zones below.
So circles (flat earth sun) aren't lines (globe sun), even though you portray them as lines on the flat earth map. So times zones don't work on the flat earth model. Any more questions?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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You don't know about time zone lines that go from the north to south poles? Tell me again how "knowledgeable" you are, and how much research you've done. Anyway here is a map showing the lines on our spinning ball.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Pick whichever map you want as "proof" they all have lines not circles. So address the question for ONCE in your life and stop dancing and insulting.
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